tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post4709176069934208000..comments2023-09-18T04:52:34.622-07:00Comments on Shining Pearls of Something: Churchian "Science"suzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07599102235797825599noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-1114085483783052682012-05-14T16:36:15.814-07:002012-05-14T16:36:15.814-07:00Thanks for commenting. And I do agree with you ab...Thanks for commenting. And I do agree with you about lesbian IVF, though it's not necessarily a gay issue, since straight women do it as well. I have a chip on my shoulder about any women who intentionally bring fatherless children into this world.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-16031431037564059872012-05-14T15:16:37.888-07:002012-05-14T15:16:37.888-07:00There's nothing in Paganism that would justify...There's nothing in Paganism that would justify hating or fearing homosexuals.I knew a lesbian Asatruar once,so not even Norse beliefs specifically are prohibitive of homosexuality.<br /><br />As long as gay people aren't trying to coerce straight people to live their lifestyle, then as a Pagan, I say do the same and live and let live.However,as a Pagan,I do have reservations about lesbian IVF. Usually this is done as a gesture of contempt for both nature and men themselves. I would not donate my sperm so lesbians can have children where nature would not bless their union with offspring. They can munch as many rugs as they want, their choice, if they want sperm and kids,that's a man's choice,and for my part I say no. Not until they move beyond such shallow and hateful motivations.<br /><br />I believe this is the most fair-minded conclusion anyone could come to on the subject,because I am genuine in what I say. My mind is even open to being changed on that one reservation I have,but I have to see proof. We Pagans believe human beings should strive to love one another as we love ourselves and all of nature of which we are a part. We are very much in line with the teachings of Jesus on morality,and like Jesus,I would not reward a hater no matter which camp they fall into.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-24622213009796589342012-04-16T18:55:42.204-07:002012-04-16T18:55:42.204-07:00"When and where was "man" defined a..."When and where was "man" defined as having a sexual attraction to males and/or a sexual aversion to females?"<br /><br />Nowhere, which I already made clear, but obviously not to you.<br /><br /><br />"You didn't actually say, "It is wrong to hate the self-annihilator and his self-annihilating ways."<br /><br />Of course she didn't, because such a statement makes sense only to you.<br /><br />Now not only are your opinions irrational, so are your questions. Your obsessions with homosexuality and with "self-annihilation" are pathetic and tiresome. See you around the blogosphere.<br /><br />But not here.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-62856712970927889782012-04-16T18:42:35.993-07:002012-04-16T18:42:35.993-07:00Suz,
When and where was "man" defined a...Suz,<br /><br />When and where was "man" defined as having a sexual attraction to males and/or a sexual aversion to females?<br /><br />Is this scientifically verified or can I find it in the "logic?"Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-14842945028518727142012-04-16T18:39:46.317-07:002012-04-16T18:39:46.317-07:00momma Fargo,
I'm not impressed by your convol...momma Fargo,<br /><br />I'm not impressed by your convoluted moralizing.<br /><br />You didn't actually say, "It is wrong to hate the self-annihilator and his self-annihilating ways."<br /><br />No, you did not say that because such a declaration would be self-evidently buffoonish.<br /><br />Now certainly, <i>unmitigated hate</i> can and is personally destructive. Mitigated hate - the type that is so discriminating that it saves your life and the life of those you love AND perhaps the self-annihilator himself - is the stuff of a particular aspect of the Good.<br /><br />Where is the love in accepting and embracing self-annihilators and their self-annihilating ways?Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-20651358336854705572012-04-16T17:47:16.265-07:002012-04-16T17:47:16.265-07:00You are entitled to your own opinion. And I, mine....You are entitled to your own opinion. And I, mine. I am a peacekeeper and not only do I enforce the peace, I believe in it. Peace of all kind. We live a fierce world where peace will never exist. However, it is not my job to condemn others for their choice in sexuality. <br /><br />I do not think hate of any kind is healthy, nor does it contribute to good product of society. In fact, it only fuels the fire you seem to want to keep brewing. Each to his own. <br /><br />It is true that child molestors and some rapists may have homosexual tendencies. That does not mean all homosexuals are child molestors. Child molestation and rape go beyond just sexual preference and into the realm of severe deviance, evil, and a mental power they wish to possess over their victim. It has nothing to do with an erection or liking the opposite sex but dives right into power. Pedophiles are much more complicated than labeling them as a homosexual and many are not. <br /><br />Hate is evil...hate of all kinds. It does not foster any success you may crusading for and it is certainly not flattering to anyone's character or reputation. <br /><br />However, if anyone wishes to carry on acting like a buffoon and spouting off hate, you are certainly entitled to freedom of speech under the United States Constitution. <br /><br />I shall just smile and wave at the idiocy you portray. Perhaps you should join Reverend Phelps in his cause, Thordaddy, as you seem to fit his profile. It is sad to see people who feel the way you do, however, I cross your path every day. <br /><br />I, sir, look evil in the face everyday. You have no idea what evil truly looks like and may you never have to experience it. <br /><br />God Bless, <br /><br />Momma FargoMomma Fargohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625178164224513103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-35589150356038911312012-04-16T17:06:07.901-07:002012-04-16T17:06:07.901-07:00...And another definition of "stupidity"......And another definition of "stupidity" would be "fucking with Momma Fargo." Good luck preaching your hate to HER! And if you think you have something to teach her about the evil of REAL sexual perversion, you sir, are sorely mistaken. You'd be wise to crawl back under your slimy rock now. Seriously.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-38188558360204226682012-04-16T16:57:23.398-07:002012-04-16T16:57:23.398-07:00Thordaddy,
"Does the difference between &quo...Thordaddy,<br /><br />"Does the difference between "men" and "good men" have nothing to do with their sexual proclivities?" <br /><br />Depends on their "proclivities." Rapists, child molesters, and even promiscuous men (of any persuasion) can cause a lot of measurable harm with their sexual proclivities.<br /><br />"So a "man" would not have a sexual attraction to a male nor would he have a sexual aversion to woman. He would be a "good man" in that regard. His antithetical could just be called a homosexual male. Truthful and not confusing at all."<br /><br />It takes some pretty strenuous mental gymnastics (and complete denial of objective facts) for you to define homosexuals as "not men" or "not good men," doesn't it?<br /><br />You can (and will) believe what you CHOOSE to, but you can't justify it in a way that will convince an intelligent person to agree with you. It's ironic that you should mention "common sense," which happens to be utterly dependent on real-world logic. Sadly, your opinions about homosexuality are rather common, but they are not at all sensible. <br /><br />The difference between ignorance and stupidity, is that ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is little more that willful ignorance.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-38045966535348481762012-04-16T16:13:40.298-07:002012-04-16T16:13:40.298-07:00Momma Fargo,
It's absolutely healthy to hate ...Momma Fargo,<br /><br />It's absolutely healthy to hate self-annihilators and their self-annihilating ways as long as this hate does not become the excuse to engage in one's own self-annihilation. And if you know how to hate in the right manner, you just might save a self-annihilator's life. <br /><br />There is nothing loving, caring or good about embracing self-annihilators and their self-annihilating ways even when you claim it the pursuit of "equality."Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-69291128796574412802012-04-16T16:08:15.804-07:002012-04-16T16:08:15.804-07:00Suz says,
"Men" and "Good Men"...Suz says,<br /><br /><i>"Men" and "Good Men" are hardly the same thing.</i><br /><br />Really?<br /><br />Why is that?<br /><br />Does the difference between "men" and "good men" have nothing to do with their sexual proclivities?<br /><br />Couldn't we just as easily equate "man" with "good man" and then label all other "not good men" as some-kind-of male?<br /><br />So a "man" would not have a sexual attraction to a male nor would he have a sexual aversion to woman. He would be a "good man" in that regard. His antithetical could just be called a homosexual male. Truthful and not confusing at all.<br /><br />You have logic, science and supposedly Christianity.<br /><br />But no common sense.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-6924862167764643602012-04-16T16:02:29.104-07:002012-04-16T16:02:29.104-07:00Thanks for stopping by, Momma! You of all people k...Thanks for stopping by, Momma! You of all people know the importance of judging people according to ANYTHING except the harm and the good they cause with their actions. Those who do have a sheltered view of reality, which you can't afford. (I suspect they also have too much time on their hands...)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-48051209540573585382012-04-16T15:30:25.086-07:002012-04-16T15:30:25.086-07:00Thordaddy,
"Men" and "Good Men&quo...Thordaddy, <br />"Men" and "Good Men" are hardly the same thing. "Good" is a subjective judgment - I suspect your idea of a "good man" and mine, are probably slightly different. <br /><br />As for whining women, Id wouldn't take them too seriously if I were you. Whiners of either sex aren't terribly credibleAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-50155854530952495052012-04-16T13:54:14.828-07:002012-04-16T13:54:14.828-07:00Whoa! This is so exciting and quite interesting. I...Whoa! This is so exciting and quite interesting. I think we should be good and kind by God's law. We aren't to judge, yet we still do. We are imperfect. I have to uphold the laws as they pertain to all people, color, sexual preferences, and whatnot. I work next to gay cops. To shun one type of person would be sinful and cutting my nose to spite my face when I need back up. Besides...human beings no matter what sexuality or color they are...are human beings. We should respect each other. What bothers me the most are hypocrits and those that cast stones based upon things that discriminate others. Why so much hate? <br /><br />Great post, Suz. Way to get a good debate going and it is interesting to see what comes out of the woodwork.Momma Fargohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625178164224513103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-19636271004238809382012-04-16T12:25:21.764-07:002012-04-16T12:25:21.764-07:00Suz,
So let me see if I have this right? All one...Suz,<br /><br />So let me see if I have this right? All one has to be to become a "man" is just wait to go through "puberty" and maybe or maybe not develop a sexual attraction to other "men" and/or a sexual aversion to "women?"<br /><br />That's it?<br /><br />It sure does make you wonder about all those whining females who claim there are "no good men" around to be had. <br /><br />What are they talking about? There are obviously more good men than ever before in this increasingly diversified environment.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-68308408033906597422012-04-16T03:58:43.737-07:002012-04-16T03:58:43.737-07:00Thordaddy,
*sigh*
I know you think you're bei...Thordaddy,<br /><br />*sigh*<br />I know you think you're being clever by asking loaded, leading questions instead of stating actual opinions that might be easily be refuted, but it's actually a tired old tactic and it won't work on me; I don't buy into the warped assumptions "loaded" into your questions. (Oddly enough, it's a tactic commonly used by women, most of whose reasoning abilities are routinely compromised by strong emotion.)<br /><br />Reread the definitions I already gave you. Homosexuality is not abut "aversion," it's about "attraction." Finding females sexually repellent is not automatically inherent to male homosexuality. Finding males attractive is. The two aren't mutually exclusive, since not all gay men have an aversion to females. Nobody knows exactly "when" it happens, but most gay men will tell you they were aware of it from early childhood. There are probably a number of factors involved, and most of them are inborn.<br /><br />It is totally inconsequential to becoming a "man," because (this part might be tricky for you) like straight males, gay males mature into adults, and adult males are called "men." Yes, it's really that simple.<br /><br />"I still found nothing scientific as it pertains to a human male transforming into a "man."<br /><br />It's called "puberty," and if you didn't find anything scientific on it, you didn't look very hard. You probably read it in a textbook back in fifth grade.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-49406839116859621122012-04-15T19:23:21.909-07:002012-04-15T19:23:21.909-07:00Suz,
I still found nothing scientific as it perta...Suz,<br /><br />I still found nothing scientific as it pertains to a human male transforming into a "man."<br /><br />Could you a least enlighten me as to when in this transformation from human male to "man" that the human male "obtains" a sexual aversion to the female and explain how this characteristic is inconsequential as it pertains to the human male becoming a "man?"Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-59514482555729124372012-04-15T17:37:30.655-07:002012-04-15T17:37:30.655-07:00Nope. Call me heartless, but if you'e not sma...Nope. Call me heartless, but if you'e not smart enough to do a google search, you're wasting my time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-35327856745305166572012-04-15T16:46:15.639-07:002012-04-15T16:46:15.639-07:00Suz,
I couldn't find anything.
Could you jus...Suz,<br /><br />I couldn't find anything.<br /><br />Could you just give me YOUR summary in scientific-speak?Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-37306236134695197862012-04-15T11:59:14.662-07:002012-04-15T11:59:14.662-07:00Look it up. It's easy.Look it up. It's easy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-33261737718129832092012-04-15T11:42:48.090-07:002012-04-15T11:42:48.090-07:00Suz,
When does a human male turn into a man, sci...Suz,<br /><br />When does a human male turn into a man, scientifically-speaking?Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-13931832664209509352012-04-15T08:43:04.059-07:002012-04-15T08:43:04.059-07:00Thordaddy,
A. Most homosexual men are sexually ave...Thordaddy,<br />A. Most homosexual men are sexually averse to women.<br /><br />B. A gay man is:<br />ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty noun \ˌhō-mə-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\<br />1: the quality or state of being homosexual<br />2: erotic activity with another of the same sex<br /><br />... that would be the "gay" part, and<br /><br />man<br />Noun: <br />An adult human male.<br /><br />... that's the "man" part! Oh wow! Would you look at that!!! A "gay man" is an adult male human who is sexually attracted to members of his own sex! Who knew?!<br /><br />C. I don't see anything "made up" by Andybob and Suz. Actually, neither do you, but no doubt you'll invent something anyway. (See what I did there?)<br /><br />D. I don't recall characterizing you as a "Churcian," although you certainly bring them to mind. Perhaps it's your use of vague semi-religious terms like "Created Order" and "God Ordained free will." I also don't recall accusing you of using any "religious arguments." Frankly I don't think you're capable of it; the level of stubborn ignorance you display, indicates a dearth of knowledge about much of anything.<br /><br />By the way, if you can't find a paper dictionary (hint: BOOKSTORE, or even Wal Mart) you should google <br /><br />http://dictionary.reference.com/<br /><br />It's a truly amazing resource, if you can tolerate it when it contradicts what you think you already "know." Oh, and "self-annihilator" isn't listed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-48510359234787999122012-04-15T03:07:11.074-07:002012-04-15T03:07:11.074-07:00Suz,
Are men sexually averse to women?
Then what...Suz,<br /><br />Are men sexually averse to women?<br /><br />Then what EXACTLY is a "gay man?"<br /><br />Do the AndyBob's and Suz's get to make this stuff up as they go?<br /><br />And what exactly have I said that would have you continually characterizing me as a "Churchian?"<br /><br />Can you point to my "religious argument" anywhere that we have debated?Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-22384423092553516082012-04-15T01:05:38.647-07:002012-04-15T01:05:38.647-07:00Thordaddy,
Hmm. "Making stuff up as you go.&q...Thordaddy,<br />Hmm. "Making stuff up as you go." That phrase rings a bell; where have I?...Oh yeah! I used it to describe those prevaricating Churchians!<br /><br />Didn't you say something about "Words have meaning" a while back? You sir, would be well served to purchase a dictionary. It will likely have the words "American Heritage," or maybe "Merriam- Webster" on the cover. Not "Holy Bible."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-30608557900186798992012-04-14T21:39:06.107-07:002012-04-14T21:39:06.107-07:00AndyBob,
There is no such thing as a homosexual &...AndyBob,<br /><br />There is no such thing as a homosexual "man" unless men are now sexually averse to females.<br /><br />You must make this stuff as you go.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3697201505856242009.post-90199861848436211972012-04-14T18:12:41.566-07:002012-04-14T18:12:41.566-07:00...Not to mention Ben, one of those friends:
http:......Not to mention Ben, one of those friends:<br />http://bentonquest.blogspot.com/<br /><br />(I hesitated, Ben, trolls can be contagious...)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06896718673192738974noreply@blogger.com